much better they are because you change leadership, many of them, and the leadership gets a little religion. and what -- and the interesting thing is we get on the boards even in a minority position, some of these guys are good guys and they really do air care. >> which boards do you like? >> i think the boards i'm on i'm starting to like. >> okay. you don't mind the apple board so much anymore? >> i hope i don't mind it, if they do a big buyback. [laughter] no, apple's a little unique because apple is a really good, well managed company at this point. it's unique to me, but i still think it's so egregious that they don't buy much more stock that i'm just picking on them. >> well, you said in the past, i assume you're sticking to this, you want tim cook to stay. how about the gentleman that runs ebay, mr. donahoe? >> you know, the jury's out. i have to understand him better, but i think it's ridiculous not to -- paypal is a great company now, and i tell you, i don't think he did a great thing at skype. he came in, he sold skype to one of his board members who was from silver lake, and he ta